"The pain itself is a product or a reflection of how I am interpreting whatever it is that is causing me pain."

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Once you have somebody that is telling you, 'We are interpreting God for you,' it seems like you either agree or you don't. You either say, like Martin Luther, 'I'm going to have a direct relationship with the word of God,' or I''m going to go through a conduit of God on Earth,' which would be the Pope.

— Penn Jillette