"There's always that sense of because we're so racially defined, if you're trying to cross the boundaries you don't fit into any particular space."

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If we go into white congregations, non-whites will sometimes say it felt like worship never started. It was sort of dead and didn't feel that warmly received. But so - and there are different realities either way, and it makes it difficult for all groups to try and cross boundaries.

— Michael Emerson